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Mon, 11/09/2017 - 20:40

Phil72

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I don't go to GA but have in the past been to another fellowship and basically all fellowships as far as I'm aware are based on the principles of AA.

I am totally respectful to people who find GA/AA/NA etc. helpful but I genuinely think that someone who wants to stop a destructive behaviour can do it one day at a time if they have support, resolve, honesty and common sense.

Here's the steps of GA I like/find beneficial:

Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over gambling - that our lives had become unmanagable (but only at the start of recovery would I accept the word "powerless").

Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral and financial inventory of ourselves.

Step 5 - Admitted to ourselves and another human being (like on this forum or in person) the exact nature of our wrongs.

Step 8 - Made a list of all persons (especially my wife) we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

Step 10 - We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

Best wishes, Phil.

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Mon, 11/09/2017 - 21:08

Stephen The Strong

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I know from GA meetings that very few attendees have any belief in a higher power and feel uncomfortable with the spiritual approach. It seems wrong that agnostics cannot have a set of steps such as you mention to aid their recovery..... Good point Phil .

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Mon, 11/09/2017 - 21:14

Phil72

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Mon, 11/09/2017 - 21:39

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Mon, 11/09/2017 - 21:51

Phil72

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I've taken on board your view and have edited my post out of respect for you and your recovery. Phil.

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 11:49

Phil72

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Deleted my light-hearted post as I'm sure someone would have got uppity with me. 

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 11:50

Phil72

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 13:03

Stephen The Strong

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Respect your viewpoints Phil and am full of respect for your progress in recovery. I also admire the way you have supported and encouraged your GamCare friends, myself included.

I have sought clarity from my angels who are of the opinion that your quite a nice chap.....stephen 

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 13:13

Phil72

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Thank you Stephen. I was a bit worried I had offended you yesterday. Do your angels have names? Best wishes, Phil.

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 13:37

Stephen The Strong

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Thanks to you also Phil . In answer to your query I don't have names for my angels , however I suspect they have had a few names for me over the years. Maybe it's all in my mind but I find it comforting to feel their presence around me as I struggle to give meaning to my life. I feel that as long as my motives are just than they will always be there for me. Maybe i'm deluded but there's no harm done by my delusion......stephen 

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Tue, 12/09/2017 - 20:56

Phil72

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I deleted my post earlier about Nicotine Anonymous because I didn't want to upset anyone but I think light-heartedly I'm going to post because I think the 12 steps of AA which are modified by every XAnonymous fellowship like GA or whatever need updating.

Step 1 - we admitted we were powerless over nicotine - that our lives had been become unmanageable.

Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power (sic) greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

Sanity? Smoking is obviously addictive, a horrible thing to do around children, smelly and very bad for your health and others who are around you including "passive smokers". If you smoke - you are not insane!

There seems to be a fellowship for everything now and with some (slight) modification all based on the original 12 steps of AA.

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Wed, 13/09/2017 - 11:25

Stephen The Strong

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Morning , trust all is ok in Philworld. Hope your friend is still in one piece, maybe he could approach the police regarding fears for his safety, those people may have a history of violence and assaults!

I have taken on board your opinions of the 12 step recovery programme. I notice both at GA meetings and amongst the GamCare diaries very few recovering addicts turn to spiritual intervention for a solution to there problems. 

I think devising steps to a better life can be beneficial, however I believe it is a personal matter . We are all different, our dreams and aspirations are unique to ourselves, our goals in life differ greatly.

By seeking advice and inspiration from others the task can be made easier, but at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves a question. 'What do I want to do with my life and what am I prepared to do to make it a reality'? 

It does help to be honest with ourselves and realistic about our capabilities. No shame in taking all the help we can get , be it spiritual or otherwise.....stephen

 

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Wed, 13/09/2017 - 12:35

Phil72

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Hi Stephen. The problem with these people is that they don't care - I would imagine getting the police involved would inflame the situation but thank you for your advice.

Just to clarify as my last post was meant with humour and not mockery - I think there is some good/common sense stuff in the steps which I mention a few posts above and I'm not against meetings at all - far from it but depending on the approach of the meeting, motivation of other attendees and non-judgemental atmosphere.

However, for me sitting in a room with complete strangers can be very difficult as I have lots of issues with anxiety although I like Smart Recovery (based on Cognitive Behavourial Therapy) and the meeting is only 5 minutes walk from my house.

If the 12 Steps of any fellowship (including Nicotine Anonymous, Liars Anonymous (yep it exists) etc.) help someone I'm very happy for them. If someone wants to go to meetings to simply express themselves honestly and find mutual support I also endorse that.

What I don't endorse is someone who is fragile and vulnerable and in the early stages of recovery being browbeaten by people who should know better - on other forums, here and in meetings.

For me I felt like a phony when I went to CA because I don't believe in Higher Powers, God (nine of the 12 Steps of CA mention HP (not the sauce!) or God), "spiritual awakenings" (which I was kind of waiting to happen) etc. so trying to pray (which I did) felt ridiculous.

It also feels strange to use the word "allergy" in terms of C abuse because informally (Google it!) the meaning of "allergy" is a "strong dislike".

I wasn't the equivalent of a "dry drunk", never used again and in fact met some really nice people as well as fakes. I think the camarderie with other people can be very helpful for some including myself.

Unfortunately though I heard a lot of people who had the honesty to admit they had used again and were subsequently shunned as if they had leprosy by the "old-timers".

So to summarise I would never discourage anyone from trying meetings or any other approach to abstinence and a better gambling-free life.

Ultimately though if you're not happier in (and I'm not talking about anyone specifically) recovery perhaps this has to be questioned?

Best wishes, Phil

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Wed, 13/09/2017 - 20:31

Phil72

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Wed, 13/09/2017 - 20:42

Phil72

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psychologytoday.com/blog/the-heart-addiction/20112/is-addiction-really-disease

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Thu, 14/09/2017 - 20:14

Phil72

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I'm a number counter because I think it is healthy to look at the days under your belt and get supportive feedback.

There are many people who use this forum who have gambled again (don't like the word "relapse") who still have great advice to offer. The honesty of people who have gambled again is amazing and they deserve ultimate respect and support.

ODAAT (which I didn't realise) is an inportant acronym used in GA but I believe it can mean whatever the individual wants it to mean. I'm not into cliches but a lot of people follow the ODAAT approach in their own way and I think that is a healthy, realistic attiude.

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Thu, 14/09/2017 - 22:17

Mixer

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2016-12-03

Hey Phil,

Enjoyed your story about your 'scenic' bus ride tonight. It's actually an anology for being gambling free- you start to look around at the world around us, and "smell the flowers".

Scenic's good - although 2 hours for what would normally be a 4 mile car journey for you was perhaps stretching it a bit! 

All the best my friend

Mixer

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Fri, 15/09/2017 - 10:05

Phil72

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Cheers Mixer. Always nice to see parts of the city I've never been too before! Just glad I didn't need the loo! Best wishes, Phil.

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Sat, 16/09/2017 - 22:31

Phil72

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When I was an active gambler I drank a lot when I came home and spent many nights on the sofa because I couldn't look my wife in the eye. Life is not like that now. Life is pretty good despite lots of ups and down and adversity.

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Sun, 17/09/2017 - 20:23

Phil72

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I Won't Back Down - Tom Petty

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Mon, 18/09/2017 - 20:55

Phil72

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I've been getting to know a guy over the last 18 months and today we disclosed to each other our issues. Amazing conversation.

He is a highly respected psychologist with his own practice who had issues with alcohol and the drug C and also is a long-term and ongoing sufferer of OCD.

We talked a lot and common ground about recovery. I'm not going to go into in details but what we both agreed was we had issues with x,y.z but fundamentally we were "addicted" to distraction from the way we felt/feel.

He's not a fan of the 12-steps and neither am I but damned good interaction and an ongoing new friendship.

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Tue, 19/09/2017 - 20:35

Phil72

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With good counsel from a particular friend I've realised why I drank excessively and totally inappropriately when I gambled. I drank when I got home - usually wine - to try and neutralise what was going on in my head.

I had many, many hangovers and obviously woke up in the morning dehydrated and feeling wretched.

When I first stopped gambling I still sometimes used alcohol inappropriately but now no.

I've drank too much from time to time but usually at a family/friend occassion or an event where I am enjoying myself and usually with my wife who is not a big drinker and also my best friend and mentor.

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Wed, 20/09/2017 - 20:46

Phil72

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I've been all about the DMP and paying back my gambling debts but I either cleverly forgot or chose to forget I had ripped someone off -  a person (not a bank or a loan company).

I feel awful - I need to pay the money back which is not a huge sum but something clicked in my head during last night's late chat.

She is a really kind and vulnerable person who I treated like garbage when I was active and she deserves to be repaid and apologised to.

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Thu, 21/09/2017 - 20:31

Phil72

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I've spent a lot of time trying to get in touch with X today. I've not found her. I'm so disgusted with the way I manipulated her which came to my mind very recently. I'm desperate to say sorry, explain why and pay her back.

When she asked for me to pay her back, I lied about the SUM of money I'd borrowed. I accept now my disgusting behaviour. It's not about 12-steps but it IS about making amends to someone I **** on.

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Sun, 24/09/2017 - 19:52

Phil72

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After 22 years of struggling with an anxiety based psychiatric condition which is getting better, coke abuse (haven't snorted for erm maybe 13 years), 14 years on tranquillisers and three(ish) years addicted to gambling I've realised as my confidence improves I want and need to be in charge of my own destiny/future.

I'm the one who has to make decisions about my ongoing one day at a time path. I'm the one who to has pay back debts. I'm the one who has to re-build relationships which is ongoing. No-one else is going to do it for me which is why I've always disagreed with being bailed out.

Obviously as other people know there are lots of issues why individuals got into gambling but for me commitment, realistic goals and honesty are KEY to stopping.

I may fail in my approach and get brickbats from the people who should know better but that is my approach.

Cheers, Phil.

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Tue, 26/09/2017 - 20:26

Phil72

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I do not believe addiction to whatever poison is an illness or disease (but respect other people's different views) but clearly addiction CAN make you feel unwell, disgusted, horrified, dishonest etc.

The main thing in my life and attitude to recovery is honesty and self-honesty, responsibility for my debts and making amends etc. - do I want to live my life coming home with my mood all over the place and being awful to my wife (my best friend and mentor)?

There are lots of different approaches - you don't need to be alone.

Personally I like Smart Recovery because of the different issues and wonderful kindness and honesty. It's not like Churchill the nodding dog in the insurance advert - it's based on Cognitive Behavourial Therapy.

.Ultimately again there any many different approaches but in my life I've never met anyone who sorted themselves or their poisons out alone.

Best wishes, Phil.

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Sun, 01/10/2017 - 10:17

Stephen The Strong

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Big Congratulation Phil and massive respect for your 600 Days Gamble Free.....stephen

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Sun, 01/10/2017 - 10:34

Phil72

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Thank you Stephen. There have been some tough times since I stopped but it was and is the best decision I ever made.

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Sun, 01/10/2017 - 15:56

ALAN 135

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Hi Phil :))  

Sorry about being late to the party but many congratulations to you on your 600 day's of winning for real :))

Best wishes Phil and I'll talk to you soon .

Alan  

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Sun, 01/10/2017 - 19:19

Phil72

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Thank you Alan - you've always been supportive. Sometimes with tough love and constructive criticism but man, what help you have given me and other forum users.

I posted on the guru thread about the one day at a approach which is very important to me and many other forum users - we can interpret it in our way regardless of the fellowship brigade.

Also, which might sound a bit contradictory, days DO matter to me and other forum users - 7 days, 30 days, 365 days etc. A bit of time (and knowing how long it has been since you last gambled) helps you to self-reflect, chill out and make progress in your own way?

Am I proud (not egotistical) about what I've achieved? Yes and anyone who sets realistic goals and sticks with them (plus honesty, re-building relationships, re-building "yourself" and realising what drove you to gamble, snort, inject etc. and paying debts) should be as well.

Words I don't like include illness (obviously any form of addiction can make you feel ill), disease, uncurable, relapse etc. If those words are relevent to you and your recovery - no problem and good for you and best wishes in your recovery.

Best wishes, a recovering compulsive gambler called Phil.

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Mon, 02/10/2017 - 09:23

ALAN 135

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Morning Phil and thank's for your comments :))

I alway's get a little narked when someone describes this addiction as an Illness as well , I feel the results of what gambling can do to us can show up as an illness wihin the body but that's really more about it being stressfull through the Lying, cheating and constantly juggling finances in order to continue with our chosen way of life as even our hardend body's can only take so much before breaking down ? .

To me an illness is due to something phisycally breaking down in the body , My mum had a stroke and my Dad passed away through Cancer and that's what I would describe as " illness " not something that I chose to do everyday by losing control ?.

Everyone's got and is entitled to an opinion and I imagine many feel it is indeed an illness but I guess for some it's easier to look to lay blame anywhere except at our own feet ?.

Have a good day mate :)) 

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Mon, 02/10/2017 - 10:05

Phil72

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Thanks for your post above Alan - totally agree with your comments. Best wishes, Phil.

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Tue, 03/10/2017 - 20:46

Phil72

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There is nothing wrong with being light-hearted in life - and I love a laugh - but in my view if you got into the state I did with gambling - it's no joke.

I understand the kind of gallows humour some people have - especially in the chat room but in my experience with other compulsive behaviours I have put myself through (and others perhaps) I realise that this is a very serious issue.

Did I want to continue the way I was going with all the self-deceit, lying, borrowing, pawning, stealing (not-criminally but morally)? No I didn't.

Fundamentally I wanted to stop feeling so awful and save my marriage/home/job/friendships/respect from friends/family and start having self-respect.

Many people including myself have had that buzz when we've first stopped but I never set myself unrealistic goals like "for the rest of my life".

We have a limited life span and surely making the most of those precious hours is more important than gambling or other behaviours?

Stopping anything destructive can be easy initially but sustained maintanance seems hard for many including me - hence ODAAT.

Best wishes, Phil.

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 07:27

[email protected]

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One question on the disease thing?
So you both chose to become addicted then?

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 09:11

ALAN 135

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Morning Phil sorry to post on your diary but I'm assuming Dan ( [email protected]'s ) commeng was aimed at me as well ? .

Morning Dan :)) . 

Firstly I don't think I mentioned " Disease " on any post's but if I'm wrong I stand corrected ? .However if you wish to label Compulsive Gambling a disease then why not eh , what I said was that It's not an " illness " in the sense of the word you would use for somebody in hospital recovering or as was in my case my Dad having cancer or Mum having a stroke and I can assure you niether of them " Chose to have those ilnesses/ disease whatever you want to label it . 

The way I look at gambling is that it's simply a " Habit " that got out of hand because of the whole reward scheme that the chemical's in your brain relaese and I'm not going to big it up by labeling it a disease /illness , if you enjoy or get pleasure from anything in life , drinking / smoking / drugs sex and sausage roll's it will have the same effect .

A disease would in my way of looking at it be in line with " The plague " or " Ebola " and I can assure you that I didn't ctach either of those in the bookies either ? . 

Maybe we have alot of different veiws on thing's and I have no problem with that as were all entitled to an opinion but what do you get from just sitting back " Picking holes " in other peoples post's when you don't agree with something , surely it would be more polite to be an active member of a forum offering support for those that are struggling or are actually getting something from this place ? . 

Anyway I hope you have a good day and no doubt we'll speak again  :)) 

Sorry Phil once again for highjacking your thread :((

Alan 

 

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 10:33

Dean0

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Hopefully phil is cool with me jumping in also?  I think when people describe it as an illness it’s more in the sense of being a mental one not the same as per say a physical illness which can be seen, ie cancer.  A mental illness being like depression and such go unseen if you look at depression as an illness they have striking similarities to being a compulsive gambler maybe they go hand in hand? For reference I saw a video put out by chester beddingfields wife he was mentally unwell the video was 3 days prior to his death. He was happily playing with his children laughing joking around no sign of what was going on in his mind. Know obvious signs of illness just like you read from the fandf there was nothing to say he was the way he was.  I’ll leave it there for now as break is over.

Congratulations also on 600 days phil 

 

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 10:43

Phil72

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No problem Alan and Wentworth (and thank you for the compliment).

I think I've made my view clear but to reiterate - any kind of destruction behaviour can MAKE you feel ill (it certainly did with me) but I don't think it starts OFF as an illness which is why I agree wholeheartedly with Alan.

In terms of it BECOMING a mental health problem - yep I believe that's true.

I'm not even commenting on the word "disease" (yes...there are different definitions of the word) other than to say none of my friends "caught" compulsive gambling by being around me!

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 12:01

Phil72

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For some people stopping a destructive behaviour IS a matter of life or death and being in debt can be hugely stressful for people whatever the cause.

Dan posted elsewhere about "stop talking about money and debt" but unfortunately some of us got into quite a state financially and initially need to get that off our chests.

Although I agree with Dan's point to some extent, I think most will post about the state they are in financially (and sums lost on specific bets/rolls - whatever) until they make some sort of decision to tackle debts they accumulated through gambling and accept the money is never coming back so there's no point complaining about £5,000 on the 3.20 at Kempton etc.

There are solutions to tackling debt which give you peace of mind instead of burying your head in the sand and hope the letters and phone calls etc. will stop - they won't. Creditors and debt collectors are relentless but not completely unapproachable.

If it takes 30 years to clear your debts at a manageable and affordable monthly rate that might be an irritant but surely better than having some of those companies on your back because I know from experience they will not back away.

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 13:47

ALAN 135

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I tell you what Phil maybe it is a disease or virus after all ?

I seemed to resemble a zombie at times as I stumbled from bookie to bookie in search of the " Fobt's " and once inside it was full of people just like me :(( . Or it could have just been something in all those enticing "free Coffee's " I used to be handed upon arrival and I use the term "free " loosely ! . 

Off to watch  " The Walking dead " Now :)) 

 

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Wed, 04/10/2017 - 22:06

Sars27

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Alan you never fail to make me smile ! You sir just keeps on hitting the nail on its head ! People like you helps us with our recovery ! Phil buddy ! You have come a long way with your recovery and still have the heart  to help all the new Members here who are just starting the battle . I mean particularly in the chat room you've always been fair and inspiring ! 

I have a request  for you [email protected] as I have never seen you positive here lately . I mean i know you have been gamble free for a long time . Perhaps you can give us advice / strategies on how to stay GF rather than cherry picking on other members diary . Maybe start a topic that would all help the new ones here or something like that instead of coming across a little too sharp :) 

 

Posted on:
Wed, 04/10/2017 - 22:11

Phil72

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 14:25

ALAN 135

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Hey Phil , " Have you been using that invisible ink again on the above post " ? :)) 

Hope your ok mate :))

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 20:27

Phil72

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Im going to explain why I deleted my post on my own diary this morning for my own self-reflection plus anyone else who is interested plus the bigger picture..

I am not a very confident person (despite achieving academically and professionally to some extent despite my dyslexia) which is improving but I KNOW I am not and never will have skin like a rhino like some forum users who drop bombs and then disappear with no explanation for their comments. I consider those people - bullies.

My posts about "disease", "illness" and debt were serious and not dismissive towards other's points of view. The post I deleted was about that and I deleted because I had no confidence that there would be anything helpful (obviously from some forum users) or constructive comments from people who should know better who act like the playground bully picking on the skinny kid with National Health glasses.

My attitude in the chat room, for example, is to read and respond or not respond if I don't think I have anything to offer. I don't tell people what to do but I do say there are alternatives that might suit people other than GA.

It's not about having a go at GA because I have ultimate respect for people who go to meetings, benefit from them BUT have respect for other alternative approaches to stopping any destructive behaviour.

Did I get on my knees this morning and pray to a higher power (God) for a bet-free day? No, I didn't.

What I did do was make a commitment in my heart and mind not to gamble today, worked, helped a friend get home from hospital after surgery as a day patient, had a pint and a bit of fun, listened to my wife who had a tough day and had one cigarette (Nicotine Anonymous here I come!!!) and am now watching the England game.

An opinion? Tomorrow. Long post! Best wishes, Phil.

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 21:29

ALAN 135

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I didn't actually see a post this morning Phil , just the blank page so have no idea what the content was .

That being said I can pretty much guess which way it would have gone ?

My opinion for what it's worth , just switch off let it lie and move on with your recovery my friend .

Some thing's will never change and nor will some people's attitude .

Have a good night mate and keep doing what works :)) 

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 21:52

Phil72

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Thank you Alan as always.

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 22:32

[email protected]

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I thought it was a perfectly legitimate question in respect to what was posted. I neither implied whether i agreed with you both or not. As it happens i dont & neither do the vast majority of medical associations across the globe, but that is neither here nor there. I asked you if it isnt a disease/illness then were you choosing to lie, deceive to those around you on a daily basis ( which neither of you answered). If you did as your post suggests because its a choice then this would make you a sociopath ( also an illness by the way).
There seems to be some confusion between physical health & mental health. If youre going to deny addiction is a mental health issue then im afraid youre going to have to lump in, depression, anxiety, ocd, bi-polar & a thousand other mental health problems as being a choice too.
Crying bully is laughable, i simply asked a question.

Sars, sigh. Think you will find i have written more ways to combat addiction on this site in the last 3 years than almost all the other posters combined.
Again i find myself having to fend off personal insults rather than talk about the issues & people wonder why i post seldomly

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 22:48

Sharon41

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Hi Phil, feels a bit like deja vu but I've found you a continual support since being on the forum,  also it-s your diary so you can post what you want non? We're all travelling different roads but have the same destination take care S:)

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Thu, 05/10/2017 - 23:18

ALAN 135

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I sometimes wonder why you post at all , if only to drop the bomb in amongst the crowd ? . 

I'm not sure if you see it this way Dan but as I've always maintained your posts are thown into the mix every month or so with it seem's the sole intention of winding folk up who seem to be doing  just fine '. I'm not even sure why or what you get from this practice ?  does it give you a kick in some way that your missing from gamblng perhaps ? It's not an insult by the way just an observation , you do come across as a bully at times  pushing the whole GA concept on people as if there's no other way forward  when it comes to dealing with this addiction , you made the choice to follow that route and it's worked great for you and your to be applauded  for your gamble free time that youv'e accumalated but it's not for everyone and you have no right to foister your opinions on people that choose to take a different route and to be honest your probably the ony one on here who attends GA that does , let people make up their own minds and if were all wrong then you can sit in your Ivory tower and have a good chuckle to yourself  ! .

And to answer your question , I don't believe gambling addiction to be an illness nor a disease but I'm quite happy to say that the continued habit of gambling would lead to a feeling of being unwell with stress related conditions , I chose to gamble , I chose to borrow money for that purpose and yes I chose to lie to cover my failings , so I guess that leaves me to assume that I'm a sociopath then , which would apply to every man woman and child in this country at some point because who hasen't lied ?  but you always do post in a way that make you " Dammed if you do and Dammed if you don't "

Your a clever man with with a far greater knowledge on your chosen suject than I could ever achieve and I bow to your greatness but please can we have enough of the silly mind games you play with people  .

Sorry Phil for taking over your diary .   

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Fri, 06/10/2017 - 10:39

Phil72

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It's fine Alan and I again  agree whole-heartedly with your post above. The problem I see with Dan is that he seems immune to criticism - if that's his idea of "recovery" - fine.

Dan - I think if you'd read my other posts properly you would have observed I said I didn't believe compulsive and destructive behaviour starts OFF as illness but undoubtedly LEADS to a person FEELING ill - whether physically OR mentally. I never said anything insulting in any of my recent posts about disease etc.

You cannot compare the use of drugs, alcohol or FOBTs to a genuine mental health condition such as OCD - no way and I say that with 100 per cent of the confidence I normally lack.

I've also made it clear here and in the chat room that I was a liar and sneaky s-hit on a daily basis - usually to get money to gamble. Do I live my life like that now? No.

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Fri, 06/10/2017 - 10:39

Phil72

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2016-10-07

Thank you Sharon for your post - much appreciated. Best wishes, Phil.

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