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Tue, 18/08/2009 - 15:54

messysc

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I have been gambling on roulette in bookies since 2001 when these machines had no betting limit for instance you could put 50+ quid on 1 number, but seeing 2 quid on a number was considered a massive gamble, I also remember roulette paid out alot more I had many times stuck 2 quid on covering as much odd numbers as possible when that came in just picked odds or even and spread the win out in single chips I would win often, I always use the same strategy but rarely brings me a profit the machines are nearly always on super tight mode, I have also noticed when the machines were first introduced they liked to pay small bets and hardly ever hit numbers with over a fiver on, its the other way around now the companies are trying to entice big bets I have noticed there more likely to give you a chance if you bet big but not being to clever across the board the machine loves to surprise you when you least expect you win but get to smart it wins.

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Tue, 18/08/2009 - 17:57

gull991

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In all forms of gambling the bookie always wins in the end. The odds are designed for this to happen. It doesnt matter wether it is machines, horses, dogs, poker...the bookie will always win in the end.

the best thing to do is to stop gambling completly and spend your hard earned cash on yourself and your family.

Jim (last bet 22/04/06)

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Fri, 21/08/2009 - 00:39

JamesP

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I've also been playing these things since 2000/2001.

The first time I ever played, I bet £10 on Red 17 times and 17 times, it came up black. I convinced myself then and there that these things were obvously rigged and I left them alone for around two years.

After then, I gradually started playing them and preading my bets all over the table - I had many highs and lows, the highest of which was when I gained £1500 in the space of around 10 minutes by literally spreading the virtual chips around like confetti and hit big number after big number. I then convinced myself again that these things were rigged as this was beyond luck and sure enough, I lost the lot several days later.

Since then, i've won and lost thousands in the years since. I do believe that these machines are generally what they say they are but something isn't quite right - the patterns and way that these numbers seem to fall doesn't seem to mirror a natural roulette table or similar numbers game.

The cashiers monitor these machines and can see how much you are going to win or lose as soon as you hit the "spin" button so in effect, the machine knows where the ball will land immediately on pressing this and the spin itself is just a graphic.

There seem to be much less high-rolling players but more casual gamblers with smaller stakes who seem to plod along - maybe the more affluent have learnt the hard way.

We quite simply don't know enough about them and people really should stay away - the boom has already subsided somewhat and they have began to appear in other places such as seaside arcades so I do think, like the lessening of the poker boom, although there will always be players, people have generally judged for themselves that something isn't quite right somewhere and let's hope future generations do the same.

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Fri, 21/08/2009 - 11:59

messysc

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One of the main problems I have with roulette in the bookies is that I have never met someone or heard of a player that has won more than £5000 never mind £20000+ I used to visit casinos allot and you hear storys all the time about someone who walked in with £500 and walked out with £30000 playing roulette, the bookies have many regular players on there so called random fobts and not 1 person I have spoke to or heard of has won anything substantial on fobts, the conclusive answer is that they are rigged guys.

fobts pattern on a good day L/W/L/W/L/W/L/W/L/W/W/L/L/L/W/L/L/L

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Fri, 21/08/2009 - 18:28

daz31

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Agree with the points about FOBTs. I stopped about 10 months ago after losing a lot of money over time. Definitely rigged when I last played I lost 3000 pounds in a three week period and each machine I played I lost and not even up at any stage on one. After that I quit and wont even go in a bookmakers anymore to bet as I felt I was shafted by playing a dishonest game. In the future I think the bookmakers will wish they didnt have FOBTs as they have upset to many of their customers with them

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Fri, 21/08/2009 - 18:32

Raskolnikov

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OF COURSE -- you're never going to stop gambling - and bookies shouldn't be shut down just because some people lose on FOBTs! DUH!

But the point is quite simple - FOBTs are beyond the pale! No one here is complaining that gambling is a bad thing, or that it can't be enjoyed in moderation - what we are complaining about is the fact that FOBTs are the Crystal Meth of the gambling world. It's like a pub stocking 80% proof whisky instead of 40%!

No one is saying gambling should be outlawed - but what we are saying is that FOBT are capable of causing too much financial damage to the worst-off in society because they have been allowed to breed unchecked....

Please, allow me to continue.... All these austere lords and politicians waffle on that gambling is the individuals' choice and it can even be fun.... But by bringing a casino into every High Street in Britain (for that's what we have now), we are parting with decades of tradition that shielded everyday folks from the pitfalls of gambling addiction.

Where once you had to be a member to achieve the rapid highs and lows of the casino, now every man can fall in the trap on his general business around town.

The austere members of the house of lords who have allowed these machines to proliferate have done so because they are too rich and too aloof to understand the addiction and the level of risk on people on a normal income.

The fact is simple - these machines are beyond the pale - the payouts are too high - the level of stakes are too high - the speed you can bet is too fast.

Come back fruit machines - all is forgiven!

It is sad that gamcare is just a puppet for the gambling industry - with no real interest in helping problem gamblers other than sending them out into the pasture to die - and no - that is not melodrama - that is how this site works - prove me wrong and do something useful!

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Fri, 21/08/2009 - 18:41

Sparkz

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its all the same, any form of gambling is a risk where you always lose in the end, weather its from teh temptation to play on afetr a win or chasing back losses...

i cant remember when i used to gamble on fobt's and sometimes i would walk in with £5, bet on 1 hand of blackjack and win and walk away thinking i had done well only to go back later and blow it

another thing i recall relating to the "fixed" accusations of them is playing on 1 £2 a bet again on blackjack, the result was if i had blackjack so did the dealer, if he was showinga poor card and i got 20 and stood, he would get 21, if i got standard 21 he would either have blackjack or push on 21,

glad now i can walk past the bookies and not use them :D

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Wed, 02/09/2009 - 20:49

brocky800

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I was doing £25 bets earlier on Roulette, scattered on the board, my fav area being the numbers 22/18/7/9/29/3/12/35/3 just past 0.

It landed on 25 FOUR times in a row. I was so shocked I took a picture on my phone.

Rigged?

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Wed, 02/09/2009 - 21:23

Bolo

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you would often have an old fella telling you which numbers were going to come up, whispering in your ear the numbers to play, if he knows the machines so well why isnt he wearing a rolex?

These machines lure you in with the belief that they follow a pattern, ive lost count of the amount of times ive told myself that.

I how many times have you seen the ball about to land on your number but the screen flicks/jumps and miraculously the ball has gone past your number when 999 out of a 1000 it would have followed its course onto your number.
Avoid them and you cant lose

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Thu, 03/09/2009 - 08:11

stevey

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When I played them I realised there was an irregular pattern. Now, I could care less whether they are fixed or not. People know what they are doing when they place bets. If they are betting more than they can afford then they shouldn't be playing. For most people it is a form of entertainment. For CGs it is dangerous.
Stay away and the thoughts about fixed or not are not important to you.

Take care
Steve E

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Thu, 03/09/2009 - 21:55

Raskolnikov

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I think the idea that most people who play the machines are having a bit of fun with it (or some **** like that) is an utter fallacy. Where are these lovely Martini drinking people you people harp on about so much?

Do they swan around on vespers, wearing blue blazers and rolexes?

This justification for the machines simply doesn't live up to the reality, which is: The machines are designed to breed ADDICTION. As such you are not getting a fair bet when you play (the machines don't mirror normal casino action). Additionally, "most" users are people on the bred line, who are playing with debt or money they can't afford to lose, suckered by the emotional fix the win gives them.

There is no fun in these machines. I've only seen hurt and frustration.

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Sat, 05/09/2009 - 14:44

chriskawar

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these machines ahave benn my main if not only form of gambling since 2001 ish. i have had my biggest wins on these from smallest stakes but as a problem gambler i always wanted more and within a day or 2 it was lost again. i dont think they are fixed but i also hope never to play one again.
i have had 0 4 times out of 5 when heavily covered but also never seen it for many many spins. also had the same loosing number come up repeatedly. i have enough sense to know i will always loose but i have been too stupid to accept the fact...

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Sat, 05/09/2009 - 16:14

NNS

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These machines have also been my vice, up until 2004 i was heavly into fruit machines, but i discovered these machines, and never looked back.
When i used to play a certain machine in the bookies, if i played 1-18, 19-36 bets, i would know as soon as the ball started rolling wether it would land on low, or high number. And trust me, 80% of the time it would land on the oppisite of what i bet on.
If i spread the bets and left a few numbers without chips, more often than not, would land on one of the numbers without chips, when the probability of this happening would be say 5%. It happens to many times for this to be a coincidence, so in my view they are rigged up to the eye balls, but like was mentioned, i dont need to worry myself anymore, ive lost interest in them, ill avoid at all costs, and so should people reading this.
neil

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Sat, 05/09/2009 - 16:58

W

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My poison was always roulette, land based or lon line, altho I agree that as Neil posted it does seem the empty numbers are hit with monotonous regularity,then doubled, its the gamble you are willingly taken if you play.

Don't get me wrong it would be great if all forms of gambling were better regulated.......but the rage in the posts I have been reading on this and similar threads is the rage of losing...more than the punter can afford.

I have been there in spades but WE must take responsibility..noone else......nobody was forced on to the table/machines with a gun pointed at their head!!!!!

The secret is in finding a way to cope without our drug.

I wish everyone well in their own recovery journey.

have a good weeend.

W x

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Sat, 05/09/2009 - 18:27

Tommy H

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Im sick of hearing these debates but at the same time i understand why questions of rigging are asked because, at one time, i used to be facinated by understanding the working of the machines.

Lets me end this for you right now.

FOBT's are not rigged. They never have been and they likely never will be. They arent rigged because THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE RIGGED TO MAKE A HUGE PROFIT. By being random they are playing the way that creates the most addiction and gets players guessing and speculating just like the debate here. The more the designers can blind players from the truth the more they can profit from their ignorance.

If you had kept a tally of your roulette gambling, an actual written tally, each and every bet, amount won lost etc you would see the random pattern for yourself. No gambler does this as it would make gambling into a science experiement and drain the thrill from it. If you merely try to recall the patterns from memory the associated emotional highs and lows will blur your judgement to the point where you start seeing patterns that dont exist.

Throughout history gambling had preyed on the mindsets of people who believe they can predict the outcomes of random events. Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is a person who attempts the same failing method over and over and expects a different result. The guy also said that the only way to win at roulette is to steal chips from the table when the casino staff aren't looking. Clever bloke.

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Mon, 07/09/2009 - 11:38

Raskolnikov

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Tommy, I appreciate your vehemence in championing the obvious fact that roulette operators don't have to cheat when they have a 37th of all the total bets placed, guaranteed.

However, I think even you might be a little naive to suggest that there is nothing in the algorithm of these machines which functions as "gameplay".

If you are so sure of yourself, please publish the algorithm here - and then the light of truth and simplicity will be apparent to all.

;)

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Tue, 08/09/2009 - 14:42

Tommy H

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I cant publish the algorithm here because:

a) I dont know it, and id need a degree in mathematics to publish even a decent guess and

b) This websites font wouldnt let me write out such a formula

However, if you want to know where i got this information from i will gladly tell you. My gamcare counsellor let me borrow a book of hers once that was written by authors who were experts in their fields. One of these fields was a guy who made the software for fruit machines and FOBTs. Once i read about random number generation everything made sense, why i couldnt win, and why every pattern i found seemed to have a contradiction.

For the life of me, i cant rememeber the name of this book but if you ask gamcare im sure they can dig it up for you.

As for my naiveity, well i was certainly naive when i was gambling. I used to believe a different theory every week and i had plenty of clever evidense to back it up. However i failed to produce a winning method just like every other poor sod who'd been suckered into the same lie. So perhaps the truth is just extremely straightforward: There is no gameplay, just a machine that takes and takes.

It might not be the most detailed or 100% accurate truth but at least by believing it you will have no false ideas about being able to win.

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Tue, 08/09/2009 - 15:57

messysc

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If the roulette machines are random then why has nobody won a large amount of money on a fobt, more money is staked on these machines than the lottery, so theres a high chance that someone has been very lucky and won a huge amount of money. Im starting to think rigged.

Its not the bookies who manipulate the software its the companies whom rent the machines to the bookies, the bookies don't actually own the fobts. All very sus

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Tue, 08/09/2009 - 23:45

Mikey H

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There are plenty of instances where people have turned £5-£10 into a couple of hundred on these things, and many more where people have come off with a 4-digit profit - if they are as rigged as much as suggested then that'd never happen, right? Those instances are just heavily outnumbered by the losing sessions, because the 2.7% house edge always wins in the end.

Maybe I am naive but likewise I've never seen a regular stream of people turn a small sum into a mega win on a real roulette table, a few sure, but even there it isn't a regular occurrence, and when it does happen it's been due to them betting with large sums (rather than the £1-£2 bet per number you see people doing on the FOBTs) which has exposed them to potentially far greater losses!

I think the gamblers fallacy that they are rigged comes about from a mixture of two things:

1. The speed of spins.
I'd suggest you'd get 3-4 times more spins/hour on a FOBT, in the same way you get more hands/hour in online poker to land based games. Therefore that 2.7% house take is going to hit you 3-4 times faster and intensify losses.

2. The fact cash is rebet.
This was something I heard from one of the software engineers behind these, and the £500jp video slots. By not allowing you to cash out or placing any wins into a win bank (that you have to collect before re-depositing) it never mentally allows you to crystalise any wins you do have, it's just a number on the screen and designed as such for you to have a greater propensity to re-bet.
In a casino where chips are pushed towards you see those as real money and become more risk adverse to re-betting, but FOBT/modern slots are cleverly designed to reduce this thinking in the player.

In short, they aren't rigged, they don't need to be, they are just really clever in their design to make sure they suck back as much of the wins as possible/have you chase the losses more than you may otherwise do.

It may even be libelous to print that they are and could potentially get Gamcare sued for hosting the suggestion? lol!

And FWIW I know plenty of friends that can play these in the manner to which they were intended - they'll have a tenner maybe once a month when in to put some cash on a sports bet, lose it and walk out, get ten, twenty quid profit and walk out - just so happens that I (and the majority on here) have something up with us that prevents/prevented us acting the same way.

Although may I end by saying, if convincing yourself they are fixed helps you put a stop to your problem gambling - then good, do what works for you.

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Wed, 09/09/2009 - 13:39

Keith

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They were always rigged in my head because even when i turned £20 into £1000, and i did on many occasions, i still ended up a loser whether the bookie had the edge or not was irrelevant.

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Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:15

Tommy H

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I know people in some of my GA groups (which i cant name for obvious reasons) that have turned a tenner into thousands in the space of a few hours on the FOBT's.

This only happened to them on rare occasions and then they subsequently lost all the money again, plus more. In light of the horrible feeling of making all that money then blowing it you cant really call these guys lucky though.

If you flip a coin enough times you will eventually get 10 heads in a row at some point and this is a similair thing. But being a compulsive gambler i could never stop at this point so id keep going and lose it all if this ever happened to me. It did in fact, at Blackjack. I started to curse the deck of cards thinking the casino had done something to them once they saw i was winning. Only later did i come to my senses and realise my 'winning streak' had been down to a series of independant outcomes which had ceased to favour me at some point. It makes gambling seem so boring but thats really the essence of it!

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Fri, 11/09/2009 - 22:32

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They were always rigged in my head because even when i turned £20 into £1000, and i did on many occasions,

would the fobts still have been rigged if you walked everytime you were up a £1000

the answer no!!!!!

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Fri, 11/09/2009 - 23:18

Stephen

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Tommy - great post and you are absolutely right.

I hope every gambler struggling out there reads it, and learns from it, and finally realizes that continued gambling can't be an option...recovery needs to be our only option...for a better life both personally and financially.

YFIR,

Steve

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Sun, 13/09/2009 - 18:56

Raskolnikov

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Tommy,

I really am glad that you've managed to find a workable solution to your personal battle with the FOBTs, which as I understand it, involves a die-hard resolution to simplify their inner workings with the eventual aim of eliminating them from consciousness. I understand you have been effected by the tendency towards pattern recognition (as are all humans not just gamblers)... and I can see that any form of pattern recognition functions as addiction in your outlook.

Notwithstanding your admirable approach, I personally, need to reach the truth of these matters, before I can reach an elimination point.

While your overall view on adverse odds involved in these machines are correct, as they are correct for all casino games, your outlook is incomplete. The machines, sadly are not as simple as you want to believe.

The most problematic aspect of these immoral machines is precisely this problem of the inclarity of the algorithm. We can all walk up to a real casino wheel, or watch a horse race and have a fair idea of how the results are being drawn, but with these algorithm based machines we can't be sure what is really happening.

Specifically, I think your guestimation of how the algorithm works could be flawed as follows: You, very simply, attributed a random number generated to a specific number between 0-36. I think it's more likely that the random number generator decides on an OUTCOME based on the odds of the bet it is presented with after the bet has been made - in this case it simply looks at which numbers are covered and which are not - it then picks a number you haven't got if a LOSE has been derived, or a WIN, if that's what the processor decides on.

Either way, you see that, there is no clarity on this, and this is unfair to the punter - this whole form of gambling is bordering on illegal. I want an immediate cessation of it and an apology from the government.

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Sun, 13/09/2009 - 19:11

fill

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Why would all the FOBT manufacturers, and indeed, the bookies, risk everything for the sake of fixing their software? Roulette is a guaranteed money spinner for them, espeically considering the addictive nature of the game, and the addictive personalities of the people who play them . If they really were fixed, then it would only take one whistleblower to expose it all. Have we heard anything? No, of course not, because they're not fixed.

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Sun, 13/09/2009 - 22:32

Raskolnikov

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I haven't ever said the machines are 'fixed'. At least, I don't know what people mean when they say 'fixed' or 'rigged' in connection with FOBT. The whole nature of gambling is that it is 'fixed' in the favour of the operator.

I've never said this... All I say is that in the specific case of FOTB, the machine operators are pulling the wool over our eyes, and there must be immediate clarity on this issue.

The algorithm must be made available, so punters really know what they are betting on.

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Mon, 14/09/2009 - 22:23

sam5

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i would like to see every roulette machine in the uk melted down for scrap- there fixed and we are mugs or were mugs to go near them i hate them and hope never to go near one or a bookie shop as long as i live ! sam

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Tue, 15/09/2009 - 08:52

Awayout

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Hi I have been looking up forums about these FOBTS us I have been screwed big time.

They are fixed to a degree. They cream off a percentage from what I have read online.

Apparently they know where all chips are placed BEFORE paying out... across all their machines in the country it is done over the internet/server. They then work out which number will give them their set % profit each time.

So they work out which is the most 'unpopular number' before the outcome is determined hence FIXED ODDS as they work out how to cream off their 10% or whatever each spin.

In my mind this is where they are misleading as they ARE NOT like a real roulette wheel they give themselves a better return than real roulette which ALREADY would give a house edge. 92.5% I believe

The machines are still up for scrutiny and could yet be banned in my opinion. Also interesting recently the bookies are paying more tax on profits VAT I think so I dont think they are going to try and make the payout any better are they?

They are controlling the percentage profit which is very worrying. Unlike a fruit machine which in not centralised but does have a set payout...

Goverment is reluctant to change policy on these FOBTs IMHO as they own *** which makes a lot of profit from these machines...

I read that the industry is reliant on these for profit now with the competition from internet casinos etc. One bookmaker recently made ONE THIRD of profits from these machines.

Also read one canny service provider applied to have a shop with just the FOBTs but fortunately this was rejected due to problem gambling etc....

Clearly these are profit making machines with roulette being the dominant game and not providing the customer with a 'virtual random roulette' they are choosing the number that providess them with x % profit on that spin.

Who would bet in a casino where the casino could choose the outcome after seeing where all the chips were placed????

Awayout

Edited by GamCare Advisor, mentioned industry by name.

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Tue, 15/09/2009 - 09:33

Raskolnikov

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Finally - someone who can tell it like it really is.

Awayout, you've hit the nail on the head in your explanation of the FOTBs workings. Is it not wrong that only a few people will have the truth revealed to them about how and why their hard earned cash is disappearing? Heck, it's taken me so long to get a straight answer.

It is time for a change of law, we must take action. The only down side of forums like this one is it acts as a pressure release valve, designed to absorb some of the outcry - rather than being a vehicle for positive change. (some would say gamcare is a tool of the industry).... Anyway. Thanks for that very lucid explanation.

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Tue, 15/09/2009 - 17:20

W

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Okay so is this then end of the discussion guys?
Cos I only need u to tell me one thing....what was the point of all this posting?
At the end of the day noone drags ANY of us to bookie,casinos or to on line sites.

As compulsive gamblers we should all have realised by now we will never win because we can never stop.

Sorry but a long winded story and who know who is right BUT what the heck does it matter when its stopping that will make is strong not analysis of the machines.

I wish all of you and me lol a gamble free and peaceful future.

Take care all

Please let it go!!!

If not you cannot heal.

W xx

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Wed, 16/09/2009 - 04:05

Cashed In in USA

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does it matter if it is rigged, if the FOBT's were not rigged would we win, NO NO No no.. we just die..because we can not quit. We can work on not starting and lets do this.
cashed

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Wed, 16/09/2009 - 21:45

Stephen

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I think it's important to understand that being a compulsive gambler has nothing to do with the losing on these gambling machines, just the degree of the losing. If these FOBT's paid back 105% of every pound put in, then every compulsive gambler on these machines would become rich off these machines.

For me, it's better to understand that these gambling machines are sucker's games, games for losers, and frankly, I no longer want to be a sucker or a loser - that's what it's really all about in my viewpoint.

YFIR,

Steve

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Thu, 17/09/2009 - 19:39

bazman

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just reading through some of the posts and yeah im two days new to gamcare and two days clean,
When you think of the machines and how the ball will land on the only number you havent bet on is just too much yeah ?
Also "slot machines " IS AN ANNAGRAM OF CASH LOST IN ME.
Im like everybody else who was only going in for one bet, and that was every pay day for some years until a month ago when i gave up my job to stop funding the illness.

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Tue, 13/02/2018 - 11:19

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TRUST ME THESE MACHINES ARE RIGGED! AS A PLAYER WHO HAS WATCHED OTHERS AND PLAYED MYSELF, RESEARCHED.. I will take caps locks off now i have your attention. They are rigged not because i have a feeling they are but because its impossible watching researching and playing heavily myself to get the results you do on the machines they are rigged its as simple as that! I play £50 fortune spins quite a lot and the higher stake you do the less likely you win. Stick too small stakes.. only way you win is if the someone has filled the machine up with money and across the boarder its in profit i.e one bookies might be down but across the chain they are up. They are very clever machines if your feeling the machine up with money like i have many times in it's hundreds/thousands it will 9.5/10 rape you. They are horrendous but i still play? Not good and another thing you have too ask yourself who do you know who wins more than £4000? I have got too £3500 or abit over but after that it will drain take it back off you. Rigged best advice go in niw and again with spare change if you win walk out or walk out not putting more in

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Tue, 13/02/2018 - 13:36

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Tue, 13/02/2018 - 13:39

geordie

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Ajmonaghan wrote:
TRUST ME THESE MACHINES ARE RIGGED! AS A PLAYER WHO HAS WATCHED OTHERS AND PLAYED MYSELF, RESEARCHED.. I will take caps locks off now i have your attention. They are rigged not because i have a feeling they are but because its impossible watching researching and playing heavily myself to get the results you do on the machines they are rigged its as simple as that! I play £50 fortune spins quite a lot and the higher stake you do the less likely you win. Stick too small stakes.. only way you win is if the someone has filled the machine up with money and across the boarder its in profit i.e one bookies might be down but across the chain they are up. They are very clever machines if your feeling the machine up with money like i have many times in it's hundreds/thousands it will 9.5/10 rape you. They are horrendous but i still play? Not good and another thing you have too ask yourself who do you know who wins more than £4000? I have got too £3500 or abit over but after that it will drain take it back off you. Rigged best advice go in niw and again with spare change if you win walk out or walk out not putting more in

 

Whether those machines are rigged or not, (and personally I can not see it the bookmakers wouldn't risk such a lucrative component of their business by risking their licence), is neither here nor there. 

The problem dosn't lie within the machine, it lies with some of the people that use them. People like me and many others, compulsive gamblers.

If you are sure they are rigged, isn't it time you stopped playing them?

I suspect the reason you are looking on this forum is because you want to find some help for yourself in a bid to stop playing on them. If you still keep feeding them even though you're sure they're rigged you obviousley do need some help with this.

It might be a good idea to start your own thread where I'm sure you will be given some valuable support.

Take care, I wish you well.

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Tue, 20/02/2018 - 02:33

Sam301

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2017-07-11

'the problem' is.... Nobody will ever know. Although there is a lot of evidence of RNG's and so on showing they are not rigged.

Logically they are not rigged, as someone mentioned. Why would bookies rig software that is programmed in their favour? They open their doors, people come in and they win. Simple as that. 

Digital roulette isn't about the wheel but numbers running in the background filled with outcomes. Let's say there are 100 outcomes (not true but just an example). They test this vigorously through millions of spins and come up with the fixed payout percentage. I.e.... 80% (So on machine info would be "at least" 80% payout). Ignore the wheel, it's simply eye candy. The results are not determined by how the ball bounces, but what it already selected behind the scenes in the machine. 

As for slots. Fortune spins are eye candy. That's all. You do a £20 fortune spin with promises of extra features. RNG still applies, so think of it as doing 10 x £2 slot spins just in 1 go. 

All fortune spins are in a way to get the punter to part with more cash in a shorter space of time. So throughout the day more punters come in (Imagine if every punter did £50 fortune spins with their money opposed to £2 a spin. Punters would lose quick or win quick. Meaning they free up the machine for the next person walking by the shop and seeing a machine not in play). More money through the machines each day is more profit for the bookies as they have that cant lose formular based on payout % set through millions of independent spins.

The rubbish about watching someone waste their money and then going on it and winning DOES NOT exist with FOBT's. Pub fruit machines are a compensated payout purely because you can lose what it's offering you (by landing on game over or ?). It's main aim is to try and payout to 70% (or whatever it's set at) based on gameplay. If someone pushes it too far so it's average RTP is under 40%, then it forces the player to take the highest award (i.e mega streak) to catch up with actual payout %. 

FOBT'S don't play like that as again, based on millions of spin outcomes, an average payout % is set and you have to take whatever wins it offers. Yes there might be pie gambles but that is still all down to RNG and has been vigorously tested before. You can't just press cancel and completely refuse a win. 

Posted on:
Tue, 20/02/2018 - 07:28

alainepo

Joined:
2016-07-27

Sam301 wrote:

FOBT'S don't play like that as again, based on millions of spin outcomes, an average payout % is set and you have to take whatever wins it offers. Yes there might be pie gambles but that is still all down to RNG and has been vigorously tested before. You can't just press cancel and completely refuse a win. 

Where did you get this information from about millions of spins giving an average payout? Would you please share as i would be interested in reading that information and seeing if it has come froma reliable source, thanks