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#1 Posted on:
Wed, 22/02/2017 - 20:01

Katiecoo

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2017 has seen a rise in bingo/casino ads on tv no? They are everywhere.

Posted on:
Wed, 22/02/2017 - 20:16

Canute

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2017-02-14

Yes and it's getting worse so this can only be a bad thing for the youngsters of today.
The ex minister who gave the green light to the gabling companies to advertise was on radio this morning basically saying he made a mistake.
He should hang his head in shame.

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 08:09

Phil83

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2017-01-17

The ones I disapprove of are the daytime ones (during Jeremy Kyle and the like) which are targeted towards people stuck at home without much human interaction. They promise this fun, social bingo platform where you'll win money and make new friends (and, having played through a match bet on online bingo, I can honestly say it was one of the most tedious experiences of my life!).

BUT, these adverts are there to do a job and are aimed towards their target demographic (hense Ray Winston during the football and the likes of Barbara Windsor during GMTV).

Relentless? Yes, Exploitivie? Potentially, but don't forget that, whilst we're all on this forum because we are unable to control our gambling, there are millions of people who can enjoy a fiver on the football without the compulsion to chase losses and increase stakes.

The regulation of gambling in this country could use a little reform but let's not sleepwalk into a nanny state. I don't want them to reintroduce prohibition because 1-in-100 drinkers is an alcoholic. Likewise, I don't want to see 'casual' gamblers have to forgo their betting because some of us can't control it.

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 08:25

andyrr

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2014-06-18

I would like to watch a sports match without seeing 2 or 3 betting ads (at least) every advert break

Andy.

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 09:07

cardhue

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2013-01-18

Disagree with Phil

Seems pretty clear that the gambling industry is built on addicts. As if people putting on a £5 aaca every 2 months are gona prop up the 10,000s of bookies, the 1,000s of online sites, the constant advertising.

No chance. And no, again I don't have facts to back this up. The gambling industry will never fund independent research into this as the data would cause the house of cards to collapse.

The government won't fund for same reasons. Gambling addiction is a form of taxation which targets lower income, generally.

The occasional gambler is in reality an irrelevance to the industry. But in the pretend- boulsheite world of the industry, is a necessary smoke screen to let the game carry in. It's almost like the right of the occasional gambler is a HUMAN RIGHT! no less ; )

The establishment have made regulation (in any area) a dirty word. The UK has deregulated since Thatcher at a rapid pace. There is greater inequality and the majority are suffering more than ever before.

Regulation post-WW2 brought the NHS, greater equality, social mobility.

The establishment promote de-regulation, in reality, to allow wealth to be concentrated in the hands of the establishment.

There's a bloody obvious problem here which should be sorted by the government. This is about public health and safety.

Caveat - on an individual level gambling is always our personal responsibility and I would question whether early recovery focus on 'the industry' is in reality a sneaky distraction from accepting personal responsibility.

Louis

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Thu, 23/02/2017 - 12:12

Phil83

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Hi Louis,

Nothing wrong with a disagreement, that's why it's a debate thread.

I couldn't agree more with your caveat though. I made a similar point on the thread titled 'Rigged' which accused bookies of match-fixing and FOBTs of not being random. This was my underlying point, focussing on, and apportioning blame to regulation, advertising, the 'legitimacy' of random games, match fixing, email offers, ease of access to gambling etc. etc. is a means of avoiding the real issue. If this were a 'general' gambling forum (rather than a recovery one) then these would probably all be, perfectly reasonable, topics of conversation BUT, for us, it's (in my humble opinion at least) a bit of an irrelevance.

Good thread though :)

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 14:34

Lethe

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2016-12-10

Agree with Louis.

It's blindingly obvious the industry's profits don't come from Granny's fiver a year on the National. It's also blindingly obvious the government have no intention of stuffing their cash cow genie back in its bottle. The public were softened up to the idea of wide spread gambling by the lottery which opened the door to the free for all that exists today.

Yes there's an element of personal responsibility that should come into play but with the industry being allowed to target dewy eyed innocents increasingly including minors at will there's a wider responsibility on the government's part. A responsibility every post deregulation government so far has chosen to ignore.

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 15:58

killieboy

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2014-03-10

For me this is one of the things I'm finding the hardest at the moment.
It's everywhere

I enjoy going to watch my team play on a Saturday and gambling companies now sponsor 2 of the main trophies in Scottish football.

Live games have electronic bill boards at the side of the park flashing up bookies names every 2 mins.

Britain as a whole has sold it's soul to gambling companies

Posted on:
Thu, 23/02/2017 - 21:10

Katiecoo

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2016-11-25

I counted 5 different adverts/companies promoting such a wonderful gambling experience within a few hours of evening TV. They are also sponsors to TV programme like big brother. Pandora's box is truly open.

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Fri, 24/02/2017 - 19:47

Guestuser9

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It's a win-win situation for the industry. Advertising counts towards expenditure. Cheaper tax bill.. Bonus money also counts as expenditure again its written off the tax bill. And of course it gets the message out there that gambaling is cool and trendy and all your freinds are doing it.

You can learn to turn the adverts into a reminder of why it is you stopped. Thus turning a negative into a positive

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Fri, 03/03/2017 - 10:14

Phil72

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2016-10-07

I agree with Deano. I only just saw this thread. I see the ads as an irritation just like a BT Sports football match being sponsored by B-ET 365 but I like "turning a negative into a positive". I have to go see my GP in half an hour and will walk past five shops within 300 yards of each other. Morally wrong in my opinion but nothing illegal about it. I just hold my head up high and go about my business.

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Sat, 04/03/2017 - 12:09

st3v3n

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2016-10-13

I agree with most or all of the points above. The simplistic way to put this is there is too much advertising and there are too many bookmakers. Smoking is bad for you for obvious reasons. Until fairly recently smoking was advertised everywhere via T.V. adds, sports sponsorship and billboarding. This has now gone to the other extreme, UK ban on advertising, no sponsorship etc. Even the shops have to cover up the shelfing where the cigarettes are kept and health warnings have been added to the packets. The same financial arguments were made about smoking, there is too much involved, T.V. companies and the government profit too much, and I do believe this was true. I think now the same cycle is happening with gambling. The difference is that gambling affects a silent minority (I do not know how big this minority is) while smoking could potentially affect the majority. I would love to see the same thing happen with gambling advertising. Certain regulations have been put in place like reminders of time you've gambled and maximum stake per bet and the appearance in small print of a helpline etc, meanwhile the volume and level of advertising has gone through the roof. When I first put a football coupon on I used to do 1 or 2 pounds and would look at my friends putting on 5 or 10 pounds thinking that's too much to put on. I have since gambled thousands. I would argue that advertising £100, £200 bonuses and even £50 worth in free bets to match your 1st stake are extreme amounds of money and this should definetly be regulated as these amounts signal serious levels of gambling straight away. You would never be allowed to advertise half of some peoples weekly wage on smoking etc. Thanks for all the knowledge and discussion folk. Steven 

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Sat, 04/03/2017 - 20:23

Joydivider

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Cardhue puts it brilliantly above so please read that.

Obviously the advertising is to get people reaching for the dream like a zombie with outstetched hands. Its almost a perfect scheme where the punters ignore the real odds anyway.  Punters believing in luck!  The advertising is all twisted to promote images of winners.

These images stick in minds. Nobody shows images of repeat losing then chasing to try and save some face. Nobody shows images of extinction gambling

To repeat,its been deregulated to keep the money concentrated in the hands of the establishment and its a direct form of taxation on the poor.

I will go further. They must be rubbing their hands together almost laughing as they cant believe that we fall for it. Thats one of the thoughts that pained me most in recovery. I fell for something that all rationality should have told me to stay well away from. I funded the lifestyle of people that were just using me.

Entertainment? Dont make me laugh. Try it without the money element and the machines/ other forms of "entertainment" become dull as dishwater

Gambling is just an irresponsible thing so I find it hard to discuss careful gamblers vs addicts. Its clear that the dens are not mainly funded by low level gamblers.

There is generally less sympathy for a gambling addiction compared with other addictions.

They argue that we can walk away but can we? Its created countless addicts and untold misery. In a caring and civilised society there has to be protection and regulation.

Best wishes to everyone on the forum

 

Posted on:
Sat, 11/03/2017 - 02:41

Katiecoo

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2016-11-25

It's been discussed above that unlike smoking gambling affects the minority, fast forward 10 years and this may no longer be the case

Posted on:
Tue, 14/03/2017 - 14:32

Backontrack77

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2016-10-28

I just wish they would hurry up with the blanket online self exclusion scheme. It's not looking like it's going to be in place until next year now.  It will be the answer for so many. The adverts will be just noise once you have taken the step to self exclude from all of them. 

Posted on:
Wed, 19/04/2017 - 22:50

Stupidgirl39

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st3v3n wrote:

I agree with most or all of the points above. The simplistic way to put this is there is too much advertising and there are too many bookmakers. Smoking is bad for you for obvious reasons. Until fairly recently smoking was advertised everywhere via T.V. adds, sports sponsorship and billboarding. This has now gone to the other extreme, UK ban on advertising, no sponsorship etc. Even the shops have to cover up the shelfing where the cigarettes are kept and health warnings have been added to the packets. The same financial arguments were made about smoking, there is too much involved, T.V. companies and the government profit too much, and I do believe this was true. I think now the same cycle is happening with gambling. The difference is that gambling affects a silent minority (I do not know how big this minority is) while smoking could potentially affect the majority. I would love to see the same thing happen with gambling advertising. Certain regulations have been put in place like reminders of time you've gambled and maximum stake per bet and the appearance in small print of a helpline etc, meanwhile the volume and level of advertising has gone through the roof. When I first put a football coupon on I used to do 1 or 2 pounds and would look at my friends putting on 5 or 10 pounds thinking that's too much to put on. I have since gambled thousands. I would argue that advertising £100, £200 bonuses and even £50 worth in free bets to match your 1st stake are extreme amounds of money and this should definetly be regulated as these amounts signal serious levels of gambling straight away. You would never be allowed to advertise half of some peoples weekly wage on smoking etc. Thanks for all the knowledge and discussion folk. Steven 

I totally agree I think the session limits ect are just not good enough....what I think is that when you join a new online casino you should only be able to place a first deposit of say maximum £5 then you should have to verify your account untill you can deposit anymore funds. Cos as a CG I self excluded from sites but then set others up in partners name with my bank card details, set another up in my best friends names and address my bank card details (disgusting I know) but they would let me deposit £££'s and £££'s of pounds but had I wanted to withdraw then requested my to verify my card and address details ect before they would pay out. Then refuse as details didn't match ect. And not give you deposited funds back as they won't be held liable for your fraudulent actions but they will still take the money in the first place before even checking that the details are genuine. I think it would save a whole lot of ppl setting up multiple accounts and spending funds straight away. Surly there should be some regulations there. 

Posted on:
Tue, 25/04/2017 - 07:24

Swersocing

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2017-04-19

Katiecoo wrote:
2017 has seen a rise in bingo/casino ads on tv no? They are everywhere.

They are absolutely everywhere, even on the shirts of players and advertising panels on the field. WOW

Posted on:
Tue, 25/04/2017 - 09:48

Phil72

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2016-10-07

Here's a question: If it was 30/40 years ago and you were committed to stopping and stay stopped from smoking would smoking advertising on TV, F1 cars, watching snooker players smoke etc. entice you back to smoking? I'm only making the comparison non-antagonistically as someone mentioned smoking above. Best wishes, Phil.

Posted on:
Tue, 25/04/2017 - 10:19

Loxxie

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2016-01-15

When I started my journey for a gamble free life the adverts played me up terribly. ..made me want to run to those sites that when chained to my addiction I foolishly thought we're my friend...my safe place...my escapism....my world..!
Now.....they really don't personally bother me...and I don't actually notice them that much...if I'm glued to the tv and I watch the advert it just makes me sad/mad that it's all portrayed as harmless fun....I think at the very least the slogan should be changed to "can become addictive "
"When the fun stops"....is far to weak....by the time you realise it's not fun anymore you're actually already addicted !

Posted on:
Tue, 25/04/2017 - 23:05

Stupidgirl39

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2017-04-14

Phil72 wrote:

Here's a question: If it was 30/40 years ago and you were committed to stopping and stay stopped from smoking would smoking advertising on TV, F1 cars, watching snooker players smoke etc. entice you back to smoking? I'm only making the comparison non-antagonistically as someone mentioned smoking above. Best wishes, Phil.

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Hi Phil sorry, Yes how can it not....if your trying to abstain from any addiction having it advertised in front of you from almost every direction telling you how much fun it is ect ect...go to newsagents buy one pack get 100 free go to off-licence but 4 cans get 10 free of course it's going to make it more difficult to stay away. The amount it's advertised over breakfast tv shows, afternoon tv programmes,football matches, radio advertisements is just absolutely staggering. And I don't think anyone really understands yet the amount of damage a gambling addiction can cause.                            

There's got to be a wake up call from somewhere surly. 

Posted on:
Wed, 26/04/2017 - 10:16

Cynical wife

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2015-06-23

Was passing the physical location of a well known bingo hall, the advert read, "Win Play Eat". I find this ironic, because the first two are stated in the correct order. The winning does come first, followed by excess playing. After which the appitite is lost, as is the food money.

CW

Posted on:
Wed, 26/04/2017 - 11:22

Phil72

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Hi CW, thank you for responding to my post. I think recovering gamblers and their partners, friends and family DO know the damage it can cause (Or am I missing your point?). My point is gambling is in my face all the time - walking past several bookies near my house just to go to the library, machines in my local, ads on TV, ads on Facebook, Youtube etc. so why haven't I been enticed after 14ish months bet-free or other forum users? Best wishes, Phil.

Posted on:
Thu, 27/04/2017 - 12:09

Miguelgarmer

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2017-04-27

Even on facebook the ads are becoming annoying.

Posted on:
Thu, 27/04/2017 - 12:38

Phil72

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2016-10-07

I agree they are annoying but unavoidable. I've just been watching some music videos on Youtube and almost everyone had a betting ad before it started. What can we do? Nothing...just continue not to gamble and hopefully see the adverts as an irritation not an enticement to gamble.

Posted on:
Thu, 27/04/2017 - 14:31

Cynical wife

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Hi, Phil,

Adverts are there to promote the product, the advertiser can't be sued because the promise in the advert is exaggerated. I just think it's really ironic that a member of the industry puts "Win" before "Play" in their advert. That part of the advert, read literally, is completely accurate, it's what does happen. I very much doubt that such painful accuracy was ever intended and of course the suggestion of what happens after the play has taken place is far less accurate. 

Best wishes,

CW

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Thu, 27/04/2017 - 21:10

Phil72

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CW my posts are being moderated which I accept 95 per cent (!)so I just wanted to let you know that our responses to each other are probably overlapping but I do agree with what you are saying. Best wishes, Phil.

Posted on:
Fri, 28/04/2017 - 12:33

Joydivider

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Surely play lose starve would be a more accurate representation in an advert.

Does the winning come first on the basis of a random number generator? I accept that "winning" will reinforce compulsive behaviour but I nearly always remember losing first and chasing chasing chasing. I remember a crazy thought that i will just win a little bit like I had it on tap...thats the addiction and illness talking. I couldnt have walked away anyway and it is a complex addiction

Most people will statistically lose on any gambling activity. As I said before its almost a perfect money making scheme for the "industry". who are not risking their food money

Its been massively deregulated which isnt acceptable. The adverts wont be going away anytime soon but they just wash over me now. They make me a bit annoyed but I have to try and remain calm

However I am deeply saddened in that it will introduce new people to gambling or tempt others

Posted on:
Tue, 02/05/2017 - 08:28

Swersocing

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2017-04-19

Eventually I found something positive in all that adverts.

I started opening an advert, then another and another from page to page and suddenly have reached a place where I learnt something I didn't know . In this particular case it was about binngo networks xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.  I have seen all the games in all bingo and casino sites, but I've never realised it before.

So, my point is that sometimes there is positives in that adverts.

Posted on:
Tue, 02/05/2017 - 09:01

cardhue

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2013-01-18

Ignore that link folks. Either a stupid or a malicious post as it links to gambling websites.

A remarkable feat. On a thread bemoaning gambling advertising, we now have direct links to gambling sites

Posted on:
Tue, 02/05/2017 - 10:46

Phil72

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Cardhue the post before yours I don't understand at all!!

Posted on:
Wed, 03/05/2017 - 18:25

Geordielad123

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Did anyone see Joey Bartons statement after he was found guilty of gambling on football by the FA? I dont think it excused what he did, but it certainly raises awareness of the above issue which I totally agree has gotten out of hand. You cant watch a match on TV any more without being bombarded by betting adverts.

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Wed, 03/05/2017 - 18:40

Phil72

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2016-10-07

Without being in anyway antagonistic the ads are everywhere - and even snooker players wearing waist coats sponsored by a betting company for example. I don't like it either but what can you do if you want to watch a game/ match etc.?

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Wed, 03/05/2017 - 19:25

Sech7

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2017-05-03

I think the volume of adverts and temptations are totally out of control. It's disgusting how they try to lure people in with there offers, all they care about is extracting as much money as possible whatever the consequences. I think eventually something will be done but not for a long time yet.
Also the charade of promoting responsible gambling is just beyond a joke. It's terrible what these companies get away with

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Wed, 03/05/2017 - 20:25

Phil72

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Agree again but what as a recovering gambling addict can you do whether you are on day one of your journey or 1,000? I'm not being dismissive at all but they are in your face on telly, walking down the street past 5 shops in 200 yards, ads on Facebook, Youtube etc. etc. Personally I just see them as an annoyance I have to deal with - nothing to do with temptation. Of course, I understand the frustration of other forum users be they recovering CGs or partners. My biggest beef - and I was never into machines - is how the £100 per spin to £2 a spin legislation has disappeared from the media. But I think personally I will concentrate on my day to day life with some background garbage....one day at a time. Best wishes, Phil.

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Thu, 04/05/2017 - 10:28

Sech7

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2017-05-03

Some good points there but something I've always thought was that the tiny intervals between being able to spin again are far too small and give you know time to think about your actions and the consequences.
I know the industry would clearly be against it but I believe it would make a huge amount of difference if say you had to wait 2 minutes before being able to spin again.

Posted on:
Thu, 04/05/2017 - 10:52

Phil72

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Good post Sech7.

Posted on:
Thu, 04/05/2017 - 18:40

Joydivider

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I glanced at an advert in a window which was simply stating "£500 for £1". I did a bit of a doubletake as they seem to be getting more brazen with the advertising in that arcade. No other wording on the poster just a picture of a machine in the background.

In what sense is that guaranteed or implied as a simple statement?

I will be complaining to the authorities but we all know whats completely wrong and immoral about that. No mention of the odds or the reality of anything to do with gambling. Not any mention of it may happen once in a blue moon or its extremely unlikely to happen. No mention that in all probablity it will never happen. 

I dont actually know how that gets past the advertising standards authority. There may have been some tiny print at the bottom but who reads that? 

It washes over me but I am saddened that it promotes gambling and creates misery

Posted on:
Sat, 19/08/2017 - 23:38

Katiecoo

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2016-11-25

I'm shocked that the government allow all the TV adds. They put up tax on cigarettes and alcohol to discourage addicts , are they implying that gambling doesn't destroy life's also

Posted on:
Mon, 21/08/2017 - 09:39

Phil72

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2016-10-07

If you go into a newsagent today, check out the front page story in The Times.

Posted on:
Mon, 21/08/2017 - 13:53

Compulsive Gambler

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all over the radio today as well

Posted on:
Fri, 20/10/2017 - 12:29

kawellen

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2017-10-19

Radio and the web mostly.

It's quite rare I see casino adverts on TV.

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Sat, 21/10/2017 - 06:28

Joydivider

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I sometimes catch these adverts and I watch them through to analyse them. They dont cause urges in me and if anything they serve as a warning to the steps they will take to attract people in. Know your enemy and what they are capable of.

Clearly its all about the winning angle as they focus on who has won the local lottery for example. Obviously the recipient of the cheque is going to recommend it and be good advertising for the gambling industry

What bothers me is there is no balance to the advertising. Yeah it "worked" for me is no balance againt the countless players who WILL play for years or even a lifetime and never win anything.

Similarly I dont equate the "fun" that is advertised to reality. Once addicted I wasnt really having fun. It was more a chemical urge which soon turned into a grim determination to keep playing and inability to stop. Its difficult to describe but I wouldnt call it a fun activity. It was a hit of escape to lose myself. Being rejected at a job interview or some other bad news would lead me straight to an arcade to get feelings of love and also punishment from a machine.

I dont like the way they casually brush over the risk by hiring celebrities and performing a sketch as though its all just a big party.

I didnt put the machine in that chip shop but I was easily attracted to the flashing lights and promises of money. Thats strong advertising in a localised way. I instantly kidded myself that is was a money making opportunity. It was there and I was there to take advantage of it so what could go wrong? (apart from a lifetime of addiction and binge misery) I cant deny there was a buzz and a certain sense of something exciting to do. In a way you cant blame me...this was pre computer games and there wasnt a lot to do in the evenings in a sleepy holiday village. From then on I would sneak out in the evenings with pockets crammed full of coins.

If it wasnt there I would have had to overide my boredom and perhaps had another evening walk on the beach. I might have met some new friends. I should have joined the sailing school or anything to do something positive with my time. Gambling wasnt the answer to the emptiness within me Trying to escape led to a total lack of control and a full blown addiction.

It saddens me that all the advertising will lead to new addicts and more misery.

Best wishes to everyone on the forum

 

Posted on:
Sat, 21/10/2017 - 10:26

Adamjamal2014-2017

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Cannot agree more...